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We should't have any damned mosques in America much less 30.

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I agree with you, America is the real terrorist and what happend on 9/11 is Americas fault, not Muslim fault, Muslims had nothing to fo with 9/11, Michael Moore proved this beyond any shadow of doubt. Everyone knows that except Fox News who probably made up the 9/11 story to bring down Islam. You and I think alike and I respect you brother Al-Salam Malakum, peace be unto you under Ala our god. Keep doing good works and writing, we will conquer America, yes we can.

There's a current mosque located two blocks from the proposed site. Should we close that one down? The idea we're even talking about this is crazy.

And it looks like the latter possibility that "the mosque would somehow help heal their grief" is a possibility."

CNN is reporting the following.

Some family members of 9/11 victims will rally Wednesday in support of a controversial mosque and Islamic center that is scheduled to be built near New York City's ground zero.

Their group, called September Eleventh Families for Peaceful Tomorrows, will also be joined by at least 40 religious and civic organizations, and is expected to announce the creation of a coalition called New York Neighbors for American Values. The coalition's goals include support of "religious freedom and diversity" and the rejection of "crude stereotypes meant to frighten and divide us."

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It's just those old teapotters giving the American people another wedgie. As the drama unfolds, the scene I've enjoyed most is the entry of Bishop Dolan and his kind offer to mediate, to help the downtown muslims find a compromise. "Say what?" I said to myself. "Compromise? Why? And with whom?" I'm given to asking myself rhetorical questions. I think many if not most religious people are kind of cracked if they profess faith in a metaphysical dimension, particularly one that posits life after death. But I respect the community aspects of worship groups and the comfort so many people receive from their "faith." It's easier for me to put the knock on Scientologists than Christians, Jews, or Muslims, but ultimately, until New York City gets its wits about it and mandates conversion of all religious facilities to fast food restaurants and animal shelters, I'd have to defend the Hubbard-ites rights to build a giant e-meter down on the Battery if they could get the permits.

I'm circling in on a serious point here... the controversy about the downtown muslim gathering place has been fabricated to divide people and to soak up bandwidth, crowding out topics more important and deserving of discussion. I hope that someday we can learn to ignore this kind of nonsense.

Let's say that the mosque in the old Burlington Coat Factory wasn't going to be a mosque at all but -- as Fox News commentators have predicted -- a planning center for terrorism. Wouldn't that be the best possible thing that could happen for our nation's security?

1. We'd know exactly who the terrorists were -- we could just watch who entered and exited.
2. It would be extremely easy to infiltrate their organization. In no time, we'd know all of their plans.

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Seth, I think you are absolutely correct with your comment and I am troubled that Islam is equated to terrorism.

But I would love to hear more clearly exactly how those folks who live there and who likely lost loved ones on 9/11, and who would pass the mosque on an almost daily basis, feel about it. Because I think there is yet another way to view it.

If seeing that mosque there would bring them pain on a daily basis I would go and build my mosque elsewhere. I have no wish to add to their grief. If on the other hand the mosque would somehow help heal their grief, than I would support the building of a mosque there.

@James Robertson - This question has always bothered me. That is, say you have an objectively good honest goal (i.e. following a path of peace and love through Islam as you see it). A bunch of shameless liars and demagogues smear your project. Then third-parties say something like "We know you are honest and true. But politically, the liars and demagogues have tainted you in the public eye. Therefore, since your project is now poisoned to the general populace because of the lies and hype, you should know it can't succeed, and not try any further."

While I can follow the logic, it strikes me as there's something profoundly wrong there, on many levels. And not just morally. It's encouraging destructive forces, feeding them strength from hate.

You don't care about can and should, but it seems that lots of other people do.

If the media had not inaccurately dubbed this the "Ground Zero mosque," I don't think lots of other people would care. As you say, it's a local issue.

Whether the mosque in the long run succeeds or fails as an interfaith effort is up in the air. There will be a new outrage of the moment to distract everybody any day now.

By the time they actually raise $100 million and build the thing, it will be old news.

You don't care about can and should, but it seems that lots of other people do. Here's the question: will putting that mosque up in that location make Americans more likely to be tolerant towards Islam, or less likely?

IMHO, this really isn't a federal matter, or even a NY State matter. It's strictly a local NYC issue. What I'm trying to point out is that the alleged goal of the people putting up the mosque - "interfaith healing" - is now an unlikely outcome. From a strictly PR standpoint, they would be better off building elsewhere.

I don't have an opinion on can vs. should. Would I care if Catholics or Scientologists or Rastafarians were building two blocks from Ground Zero? No. I don't care that Muslims are either.

If an anti-gay Christian group bought property in San Francisco and secured the zoning permissions necessary to build there, I wouldn't care about that either. It's a free country. People ought to be free to practice their religion on their own property without busybodies trying to drive them out.

There's a difference between can and should. They can build a mosque there; the question they need to ask themselves is this: will putting one up be a positive PR event, or a negative one?

Based on the reaction, it seems pretty clear to me that building a mosque there will be a negative PR event.

Let's take a hypothetical: say a very anti-gay Christian group wanted to build a new church in central San Francisco - perhaps the nutters from Westboro. I have serious doubts as to whether anyone on the left would be talking about religious freedom.

Like most things, this depends on whose ox is being gored.

I'm with you.

I wouldn't have been surprised if 10% or 20% had opposed it -- there are a lot of closed-minded people living in their own little worlds, toeing the party line and happily drinking the party Kool-aid. But 48%? That really surprised and disappointed me.

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